In the Italian article you linked me to, it condemned an “ultra-progressive” element in that one community, not an ultra-traditional one! Dr. Scott Hahn. Fr. Magdalene P has pretty much summed it up…, ”…some tiny group of FFI friars and sisters of the associated women’s Order decided to take it upon themselves to abuse the Traditional Latin Mass..”. Since you are clearly a modernist heretic who places no value on truth, please take your own advice and refrain from commenting. ( Log Out / Catholic Minute – Ken Yasinski. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. I never suggested he was a “traitor,” but I did suggest that since it was obvious that there was a serious and apparently irreconcilable cleavage in the order over certain questions (like the conventual liturgy), the best solution really would seem to be to what Franciscans often do, and split the order. There’s an account of the business that started all of this HERE (in Italian) – http://www.unavox.it/ArtDiversi/div026.htm ; BTW, you might very well be sympathetic to the views expressed therein, which are unconditionally supportive of those Italian FFI friars. Jabbapapa: It is the spirit by which it became necessary to create a compromise that shows us the true way. Our Sisters of the Franciscans of the Immaculate had appealed to the Apostolic Signatura against the CIVCSVA and probably they would have been proven right and gotten justice. ”Or a gross exaggeration?” Please, elucidate **exactly** which doctrines you are talking about. Exaggerations are not lies. By contrast, Commissioner Volpi has been long dead. I admit, this is a real problem for my argument, and I suspect will constitute the bulk of responses to this post from those who are sympathetic to traditionalism. The Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate (Latin: Congregatio Fratrum Franciscanorum Immaculatae; abbreviated FFI) is a religious institute founded in 1970 by Conventual Franciscans Stefano Maria Manelli and Gabriel Maria Pellettieri and canonically erected by Pope John Paul II in 1998. Not only is the Traditional Latin Mass the perfect re-enactment of Christ’s Sacrifice on Calvary, His Death and Resurrection, but in no way can it be used as a “vehicle” for any “heretical teachings”. This is according to reports by Vatican expert Andrea Tornielli on the online edition of Vatican insider. How can I or anyone else conclude or derive from that experience a sense or feeling of superiority?… You slay me! Of course the fact that neither side is willing to admit the existence of continuity, and that, therefore, unity is impossible, is largely due to the liturgical abuses that have run rampant for fifty years. And that many things may be comprised in a few words: first, as relates to covetousness:–they shall wholly prohibit all manner of conditions and bargains for recompenses, and whatsoever is given for the celebration of new masses; as also those importunate and illiberal demands, rather than requests, for alms, and other things of the like sort, which are but little removed from a simonical taint, or at all events, from filthy lucre. Not only because not every doctrine is a dogmatic doctrine (there are disciplinary doctrines as well as pastoral doctrines) ; but also because, whatever the intent of Pope John XXIII for the work of the Council, the Council did in fact define a small number of doctrines that are dogmatic in purpose. I do not apologise for my expectation that people should think for themselves, including on the basis of potentially contradictory information, rather than desiring to be spoon-fed nothing but what they already think. This is not the time to go into a complicated discussion on Vatican Two, and I know that there are many in the Church who are of the opinion that V2 did indeed attempt to redefine certain doctrines. The accusations included there are towards some “ultra-progressive” elements in this one Order of the FFI trying to alter the Liturgy, and not the vast majority of these good, traditional and holy friars living at this Sanctuary! (Which it did of course, once Pope Francis arrived on the Chair of Saint Peter!) In this way the TLM is protected from any major “abuses”. Diocesan Bishops, according to Canon Law, are to monitor liturgical matters in order to guarantee the common good and to ensure that everything is proceeding in peace and serenity in their Dioceses, always in agreement with the mens of the Holy Father clearly expressed by the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum. Stephano Maria Manelli and Fr. BTW — THAT is what a defamatory comment looks like. The ultimate responsibility for this lies not only with Pope Francis, because he endorsed the interventions of the Congregation of Religious, but above all because he has put both the male and the female branch, which was also placed under provisional administration at a later time, with two separate actions he refused to appeal to the Supreme Court of the Apostolic Signatura against the measures of the Congregation of Religious. Before anything else, the Council gave a definition of what liturgy is, and this definition gives a valuable yardstick for every liturgical celebration. Your notion that I had anybody in mind than the tiny group that I have referred to, is unfounded — your suggestion that I am trying to shift my statements into something else as some sort of defensive tactic or whatever is most certainly a figment of imagination, however. That tradition and the Immemorial Rite is the real enemy became more and more clear, if there was any need for further proof. I believe that is called (by Blessed J.H. Bishop Barron on YouTube. Dear Jabba, I make no attempt to second guess what you think. She undertook to write a letter of apology to be published in the leading daily newspaper of Southern Italy, in Il Mattino, and in the national daily La Repubblica. ( Log Out / ‘There are those who ask what authority, what theological qualification the Council intended to give to its teachings, knowing that it avoided issuing solemn dogmatic definitions engaging the infallibility of the ecclesiastical Magisterium. The Friars in the work of Religious Education and Catechesis, Activism and Workaholism in the Busy Cities of Manila and Quezon…, The Ninth Annual Patronal Feast of the Church of Mary Coredemptrix, Activism and Workaholism in the Busy Cities of Manila and Quezon City, Twenty-Five Years of Religious Profession and Service, A Précis of St. Alphonsus Liguori’s Treatise on Spiritual Direction, In Defense of the Virgin Birth of Our Savior, Catholic Radio: The Instrument of the New Evangelization, Twenty Years of Broadcast Service: A message and appeal, Radio Caritas Mariae – History and Vision. Now, she has admitted to accusing the Order of unproven things and writing slander against those in charge of the lay religious organizations. The two authors, however, made a mistake. A dark matter in the pontificate of Pope Francis” (Verità e giustizia per padre Fidenzio Volpi, Una oscura vicenda nel Pontificato di Papa Francesco). There was no such “tiny group” of supposedly ultra conservative members of the sisters or friars of the Franciscans of the Immaculate abusing the TLM as you say, only those few disgruntled first group mmvc mentions above. You can see that this all started as some acts of disobedience to the local Episcopal Authority (Cardinal Martini) from 2005 onwards, but as is evident from this web article of late 2005, there is a clear desire to set up some sort of “traditional doctrine” and “traditional pastoral” in a manner opposed to the Universal Church, calumnied as being “postmodernist” and seeking to actively attack the Catholic Church as being some sort of “NuChurch” (or rather the Italian equivalent of that extraordinarily abusive expression) and so on and &c. The desire in these particular FFI and their supporters to abuse the practice of the traditional Liturgy as a means of attacking the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council is blatant. Holding different opinions about issues is not lying. (Vatican Two became the catalyst for an unprecedented destruction of so much of the Church’s teachings and practice, due in part to these ambiguous passages that the Modernists honed in on, but there were NO new “doctrines”.). These sorts of abuses are BTW directly and explicitly condemned by Pope Benedict XVI’s Summorum Pontificum, and its later accompanying doctrinal clarification. Your quoting of the Council of Trent to me that took place over 550 years ago to defend the Church against the Protestants’ blatant and real abuses of the Mass, only serves to reaffirm my words that the Traditional Latin Mass (if followed according to the rubrics set out in Canon Law) is safeguarded from the widespread abuses one finds too often in the celebrations of the Novus Ordo Mass. But far from “refraining” to mention the so-called “spirit of Vatican II” — “Hence, we understand why “the Spirit of Vatican II” becomes the necessary obscurantism to throw over every novelty dreamt up by progressives. The claim that the Church is somehow “postmodernist” is perfectly grotesque, no matter the particular abuses of these or those, here or there. mmvc is quite right BTW in her point that a larger group of more modernising friars within the FFI has turned what should have been a private, internal matter of discipline concerning the tiny minority that I mentioned into a public scandal. There, they did not seek to subject their religious rule to an “aggiornamento” but to build on the first Franciscan rule of the order and deepen Marian spirituality. Save 25-60% on Bulk Orders. In return, those affected withdrew their ad. But he does not lie. Now other Orders are also in the crosshairs, especially contemplative nuns. But one could perhaps also understand that this might generate some bitterness among some of his former brethren. A Handbook on Guadalupe [Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate] on Amazon.com. At least he tries not to spend all of his life trying to second-guess what other people think, and guessing completely wrong every single time. (and BTW, before you start jumping to conclusions again, I am aware of not a single FFI priest guilty of such horrendous apostasies, and please do try and NOT read into anything that I might write any “suggestions” not contained therein). They asked to leave the company of their “progressive” confreres and retire to an abandoned monastery and revive it. Always faithful to the Magisterium of the Church, you can browse our store with peace. the Second Vatican Council itself, purely pastoral, proclaimed that no new “doctrines” would be made. Not even gross ones. Sacred Music Listen to sacred music in order to raise up your heart and soul in the contemplation of Almighty God and the beauty of … Anyway, it was your original accusation saying that certain Franciscans of the Immaculate were using the TLM “as a vehicle to provide some objectively heretical teachings against the doctrines of the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council” that I took issue with. It is in the light of these criteria that liturgical celebrations must be evaluated, whether they be according to the old books or the new. Since you are clearly a modernist heretic who places no value on truth. The Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate (FFI) is a Roman Catholic Institute of Religious Life with Pontifical Right established by Blessed Pope John Paul II on 1 January 1998. As we now know in hindsight, that was never the intention of Pope Francis in sending Volpi into the FFI as Commissioner. Despite its young age, the Order, which was not established until the early nineties, stood out for the great number of religious and priestly vocations, even in Europe, where most of the orders are moaning because of a lack of vocations. You (we) may disagree with Jabba. And of course, the great majority of the friars who were/are giving the TLM had no involvement whatsoever with the abuses in question, which from all that I have heard were limited to a small area in northern Italy, and nowhere else. More often than not he is a victim of his own supposed erudition. The special charisma that has distinguished the Order from other altruistic communities was its missionary zeal. It was that diabolical “spirit” of V2 (which he refrains from mentioning) that the Modernists used to destroy* so much of the Church’s traditional beauty, reverence, piety and practices. Now — it is absolutely true that the vast majority of the friars in the Order have precisely nothing whatsoever to do with any of these heresies nor scandals, neither the abuses of that original tiny sub-group among them, nor the obviously exaggerated reaction from some in the Vatican …. Modernists truly loathe anything that sniffs of sacredness or tradition. ( Log Out / “While the Acting Administration of the Franciscans of the Immaculate continues in its sixth (!) the Congregation of the Religious did not dare to take action. “Blessed are they that have not seen, yet believe”. Trans: Tancred firstname.lastname@example.org (btw kiernan etmologically means “son of a Lord”, my name is just “Lord” ; so there’s your pedantry du jour, matey), He seems to delight in speaking half truths,rendered so by his inability or reluctance to speak with clarity. Under Francis, it immediately received the tiny minority’s complaint as an opportunity to crack down on the unloved model – and radically. The Mission Of The Franciscans Of The Immaculate All over the world, the Family of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, Friars and Sisters, is moving step-by-step and from place to place, till the end of time, to lead all mankind to Heaven through the Immaculate. St. Francis offers an ideal place of prayer and solitude for religious and faithful alike. Certainly none of the good and humble friars we have met and talked to over the years on the Chartres pilgrimage have mentioned any such thing. The way in front of state courts is at least open to Father Manelli and representatives of the lay organizations affiliated to the Order because the Vatican has no access to it. Actually, I had a number of conversations with Fr Geiger back in the day (2013-15), and they were reasonably respectful on both sides. ... PhilMaria.Org is the official site of the Franciscans of the Immaculate in the Philippines. “tiny group of FFI friars’: the one that kick-started the monstrous dismantling of this once thriving, traditional Catholic Order“, Gabriel Maria Pellettieri. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. I read your Italian link (with the help of Google translate) and I can only wonder if your Italian is as good as you pretend! Why was Pope Francis silent on Ireland voting for abortion? Besides, the Second Vatican Council itself, purely pastoral, proclaimed that no new “doctrines” would be made… although a few of its documents are indeed troublesome in places. “tiny group of FFI friars and sisters of the associated women’s Order [who] decided to take it upon themselves to abuse the Traditional Latin Mass as a vehicle to provide some objectively heretical teachings…“ etc. and NOT the supposedly: History of the the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate in the... Our Apostolic Life that is both Marian and Franciscan, Our Marian-Franciscan Charism According to the Example of St. Maximilian Kolbe. Or a gross exaggeration? Jabba, please come clean and do not now try to distort your earlier defamatory accusations aimed at a different imaginary “tiny group” of Friars of the Immaculate that you pointed to in your initial comment. The Scandal of the Franciscans of the Immaculate Posted on October 2, 2014 by Fr. The Vocation of the Friar Minor Franciscan formation is based upon a personal encounter with the Lord and begins with the call of God and the individual’s decision to walk with Saint Francis in the footsteps of the poor and crucified Christ as His disciple under the action of the Holy Spirit. Fifteen monasteries and three missions of the friars have been closed down. (Rome) The Franciscans of the Immaculate, oppressed by the Congregation of Religious with the approval of Pope Francis, have achieved another victory, at least a moral victory, which should more than ever be the occasion of a process of reflection in the Vatican. Whereas, therefore, either through the wickedness of the times, or through the carelessness and Corruption of men, many things seem already to have crept in, which are alien from the dignity of so great a sacrifice; to the end that the honour and cult due thereunto may, for the glory of God and the edification of the faithful people, be restored; the holy Synod decrees, that the ordinary bishops of places shall take diligent care, and be bound to prohibit and abolish all those things which either covetousness, which is a serving of idols, or irreverence, which can hardly be separated from impiety; or superstition, which is a false imitation of true piety, may have introduced. To escape prosecution, Loredana Volpi decided to come to an out of court settlement with the plaintiffs. Unfortunately, I have no idea what the details of that proposal really were. Still I persisted for over 40 odd years with the new,nice Church. Is there any wonder your thought processes are under scrutiny? Basilica of the Immaculate Conception. And it is also absolutely true that the MANY friars of the FFI are suffering from some politically motivated, and mostly unjustifiable, religious sanctions that instead should have remained strictly targeted towards that very tiny minority within the Order who may have been tempted into formal & constituted heterodoxy. — and &c. Are you attacking an article that you haven’t read ? May Our Lady pray for us all! The Franciscans of the Immaculate live a life following in the footsteps of the Seraphic father, St. Francis of Assisi, living according to the Definitive Rule of St. Francis (1223), after the example of St. Maximilian Mary Kolbe (sometimes known as the “St. Together with Mario Castellano, she wrote the book “Truth and Justice for Father Fidenzio Volpi. The tripartite nature of the priesthood for example — the deacon, priest, Bishop structure — isn’t really “new” either, but it was only formally established as a specific doctrine by Vatican II, whereas its previous status was as a part of Sacramental theology. Of course mmvc was right… but, as you well know, she was referring to the: Whereas, sadly, almost wherever one looks today one can find abuses – sometimes even blatant heresies – being committed in the Novus Ordo Mass. He must have been aware from the start that it was a traditional order of friars, faithful to the beautiful ancient Liturgy and practices of the Church. 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